Emvigo Technologies Ltd

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m the managing director of a smart meter investment company. 

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We hired Emvigo to build an asset management and tracking system. Initially, I had an existing system that I built by myself, but it met only the bare minimum of requirements. As a result, I engaged Emvigo. 

What was the scope of their involvement?

We started with a blank sheet of paper and then designed a solution based on my explanation of the industry. I also gave Emvigo a description of how I built my own tracking system. From there, the next stage was to design the actual system and build it. 

At present, they’ve built the backend of the system. They’re now in the process of building the system’s frontend. For context, our business owns smart meter assets, which track serial numbers and other identifiers that record the meters’ locations. 

Further, our meter assets are used to measure gas and electricity. The product’s journey starts in our warehouse, and it’s then shipped to a storage facility. From there, an engineer installs it in a house. Sometimes, the product gets uninstalled for various reasons. When that happens, it has to undergo a reverse logistics process — it comes back to us for checking, testing, and redeployment. The system we’ve built with Emvigo tracks the assets throughout that entire journey. 

In parallel, the system also tracks other aspects associated with the meter asset, such as the energy supply; this is required for billing purposes. It also tracks the firmware version of the assets. The frontend that Emvigo is currently developing provides easy access to all of that information for anyone who wants to look them up and cross-check details. 

Moreover, the tracking system is mainly a web app, but the team has also built a mobile app specifically for repatriation and triage, which are a part of the asset’s journey. If assets come to a repatriation facility, the end user can scan the serial number of the assets using the mobile app and identify their owners. It’s only available on Android. 

What is the team composition?

We’ve worked with a total of around 12 people from Emvigo, but the core team consists of seven people. These people include developers and project managers. 

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

I got in touch with Emvigo via Upwork, and I partnered with them because they not only had development capabilities in India but also had a presence in the UK.

What is the status of this engagement?

We started working together in January 2020, and the engagement is ongoing. 

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement? 

The quality of Emvigo’s work is second to none; it’s fantastic and I’m truly pleased with it. They’ve achieved everything we need. 

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

Emvigo’s project management is good. Part of our development process has been driven by our customer’s requirements, and in hindsight, our customer has been quite poor in setting their requirements. As a result, after we’ve built something that met their original requirements, they’ve requested further changes. 

We’ve managed to implement those changes, and the Emvigo team has been quite flexible in adapting their solutions to meet our client’s requested changes. To communicate, we use emails and WhatsApp. I’m not their primary contact in our company, however. 

What did you find most impressive about them?

The most impressive thing about Emvigo is their ability to listen and understand our requirements. They also have the ability to learn about an industry they had no prior exposure to while building a great system. 

Are there any areas they could improve?

No, there aren’t any. 

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

Put yourself into the engagement. To illustrate, I’ve invested a lot of time upfront to educate them on our requirements. I personally think I’ve done a good job at that. Our engagement and the product we’ve developed reflect that. 

Introduce your business and what you do there.

We are a software solution provider, and I am the CEO.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We needed a custom software that could support organizations as they engage external vendors for service delivery purposes.

What was the scope of their involvement?

We provided Emvigo with the design, and they went on to develop an Azure solution with an AWS managed blockchain. They used Microsoft for the frontend and built functionalities that could allow our clients to manage their statements of work and delivery of service over a standardized platform. Their team was in charge of testing the software, and they currently actively maintain it as well as iterate on it.

What is the team composition?

There were 12 people assigned to the project.

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We had been making inquiries on a vendor platform when Emvigo approached us directly. They forwarded an offer that stated that they would operate at a fixed price. We felt that it aligned with our budget and our approach, so we took them on for the development project.

How much have you invested with them?

We’ve invested $300,000.

What is the status of this engagement?

We started the engagement in July 2019. We have an ongoing partnership.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

Emvigo has delivered on time and within budget. Everything has gone as planned, and the team has successfully managed and deferred certain items that have not been met. If I were to quantify it, I would say we are 95% satisfied with their work.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

They’ve done well in terms of project management. All of my expectations have been met. We normally communicate and do daily standups via Microsoft Teams. 

What did you find most impressive about them?

What distinguishes Emvigo is their willingness to adapt and their ability to be very agile with their approach.

Are there any areas they could improve?

No, nothing stands out to me. They’ve provided exactly what we needed. I don’t feel as though we’re missing anything. 

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

Have a very clear range of requirements and be prepared to communicate with the Emvigo team on a regular basis. They’re very responsive, and you can rely on them to responsibly correct any issues with the solution.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m the co-founder and CTO of a shipping company that runs a shipping and logistics website. The company is based in Switzerland and we import goods from Germany.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

I needed a platform where customers could subscribe and order goods from Germany that they can’t typically obtain due to Switzerland's local regulations. 

What was the scope of their involvement?

Emvigo Technologies has been a key partner in building our platform on WordPress from scratch. They’ve done the web design, content creation, backend development, AWS server set up, and Cloudflare security. In addition, we’re now working on several upgrades to the platform to make it easier to use.

What is the team composition?

I think there have been between 5–8 people involved in the project. The team scales up whenever we have pressure to reach a deadline. Ultimately, we have about five people, including someone in charge of project management, front-and backend development, and design. 

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

My partner had a contact in Dubai and this person referred Emvigo Technologies to us. I also searched on Google and reached out to my network. We ended up with a list of 5–6 companies and went through two selection and quotation phases. They won because they were extremely detailed, professional, and went beyond our expectations in terms of deliverables during the tender process. 

How much have you invested with them?

We’ve spent over $25,000.

What is the status of this engagement?

We set up the contract and in July 2020 and the platform was complete by March 2021. 

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

Emvigo Technologies has built up the business for us because without the platform we don’t have a business.

We ended the platform 3–4 months behind schedule, but it wasn’t entirely their fault. I think they underestimated the modules, but we also had a lot of change requests. However, it wasn’t a critical issue for us because we didn’t have thousands of customers yet. We managed to run the business and adjust to the platform on the go.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

We use Google Sheets and communicate through email for status updates and approval requests. For smaller requests and exchanges, we use Skype. We also have weekly meetings for discussing progress and any other details that we can’t cover in emails or messages. 

In the beginning, it wasn’t clear who was managing the project. I believe they didn’t have resources available at the time, but things got better once they assigned a project manager. We implemented three phases for the project management: development, testing, and production. Emvigo Technologies didn’t have that in place either. In the end, the project started to work well and the results became better — they’ve improved a lot.

What did you find most impressive about them?

Emvigo Technologies is a committed team that works quickly and delivers on par with expectations. They acknowledge the fact that the world isn’t perfect, so if there are any mistakes, they work hard, even overnight or on weekends, to get things done. Additionally, their CEO and CTO are always easy to reach.

Are there any areas they could improve?

The team could be a bit more experienced and come up with ideas that could contribute to the overall functionality and flow of the platform. The structure that we have today took a bit of time to achieve. 

Any advice for potential customers?

Onboarding a project manager from the very beginning and spending time with their team to understand the whole purpose of the project from A-to-Z will make sure that everything goes well.

Please describe your company and your position there.

I am the co-founder of a B2B SaaS start-up focusing on executive communications

For what projects/services did your company hire Emvigo Technologies Ltd, and what were your goals?

Our start-up has designed an MVP product, and was looking for an engineering agency to create the cloud-based webapp and go live. The MVP is a communications platform targeting the leaders and executives of companies, which enable them to keep up to date with strategic developments without spending excessive time.

How did you select this vendor and what were the deciding factors?

We had spoken with no fewer than 10 prospective partners, in Eastern Europe and India. It was their sense of professionalism and the high quality example projects that separated Emvigo from other agencies. They were patient in the follow-up conversations, as we had to postpone the MVP build phase. We kept in touch throughout the period while the MVP was re-designed. When the MVP was ready for build, they came up with a sensible proposal in terms of costing, timeline, milestone and warranty. This helped us lock them down as our partner of choice.

Describe the scope of work in detail, including the project steps, key deliverables, and technologies used.

The project involves both frontend (React) and backend (Node.js) development, deployment to cloud (Google Firebase) and go-live. We had the use cases and UX/UI scoped out prior to engaging Emvigo, which was used to lock down the exact scope of work on their side. In the first milestone, their team reviewed all the user journeys and UX/UI, to translate them into engineering user stories on Jira and also touched up the UI to make it more professional.

In the build phase, they first created the sign-in/create account capabilities, followed by ability for the signed-in users to create workspaces on the platform, and then to publish new posts and read them. These were followed by creating analytics for users to keep track of stakeholder engagement with the published posts, and an admin panel to monitor all accounts.

How many people from the vendor's team worked with you, and what were their positions?

The project was overseen by a head of engineering, and day-to-day work was carried out by core a team of 7 - a project manager, a BA, 2 BE developers, 2 QA, 1 FE developer/designer. We also had part-time contribution from an architect and infrastructure developer

Can you share any measurable outcomes of the project or general feedback about the deliverables?

We launched within timeline (3 months) and the deliverable was of a high quality. They met every milestone on time and with an end-to-end demo.

Describe their project management style, including communication tools and timeliness.

They involve the clients closely throughout the development cycle, with Skype availability to the entire team, access to Jira, and regular demos. The team would not hesitate to get in touch with questions or suggestions (much appreciated), and if you ask a question or send an email on a list of changes, they would pretty much action on them immediately and changes would be reflected in the next demo.

We felt the presence of the entire team throughout the cycle, and they were extremely keen to work with the client to give the best outcomes. We felt that they were an integral team where we were co-working on the project, not a black-box job shop.

What did you find most impressive or unique about this company?

I have previously worked with other agencies and also with in-house engineering teams. Emvigo stands out from other agencies in how they treated the client and the project - they positioned themselves as an in-house team who wanted the best outcome for the project, and would keep us up to date with demos, skype conversations, and Zoom calls.

If they have a question to clarify, they would ask; if we asked a question, they would respond immediately. The working relationship is very close and together we avoided disappointment at demo time. We feel that they were an extended team of our company, not an outsourced agency, and we were truly working together

Are there any areas for improvement or something they could have done differently?

When they need certain information from us (e.g. web hosting info), they are sometimes quite "ad hoc" and raised the question maybe 1-2 days before they were about to work on the stories. If they could raise those requests earlier on with more guidance on the exact info needed, it would help us plan out better.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m the CEO and founder of an organization that provides CSR SaaS solutions to companies.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We had used a single developer for around 10 years who was using very old methodologies. He had built our internal CRM which was really a house built on matchsticks that was ready to collapse at any moment. We needed someone to look at the business, look at what we needed, think about where we were going to be for the next five years, and build accordingly.

What was the scope of their involvement?

It has been a multifaceted engagement. The scope of their work has been multiple projects from the start. 

One of the projects was for a plugin that sits on the computer using Outlook or Gmail. Essentially, whenever you have a meeting with someone, you send them a meeting invite as normal, and the plugin will trigger a set of processes on the backend. From there, it will basically plant a tree for the person you have a meeting with.

A set period before that meeting happens, the people you have invited will receive an email telling them that a tree has been planted on their behalf to mitigate the environmental impact of that meeting. 

We had an MVP and it worked so we wanted to invest and develop it properly. They took what we had, reverse engineered it, understood how it had been put together, and built us a brand new one. They took the existing backend which was built from this terrible infrastructure and rebuilt the whole platform on AWS.

We now have a completely scalable solution rather than something that could potentially crash every single time someone downloads it. We then had them build two more plugins. One was for the Outlook web version and one for the Gmail web version. Out of those two, one of them is currently in user acceptance testing (UAT) and the other is now in the App Store.

They also took the website and rebuilt all of its functionality again, doing it primarily in Node.js on the AWS platform. They have basically been taking these bits of my old CRM, which had lots of projects that were built in it, and bit by bit they have taken it apart and are rebuilding it. Our server is using software like CodeIgniter, PHP 5.3, which is too old to be supported anymore.  

Although they are going to rebuild it completely, at the moment, we are up to 1.2 which takes out all the heavy lifting. That means all the heavy processes like creating certificates, pictures, updating counters, and those things are being removed from our standard server and being rebuilt on AWS. 

What is the team composition?

I deal with Sanjay (CEO) and I have the absolute pleasure of dealing with Anoop (CTO) who is their tech evangelist. They are my main contacts but Anoop is my primary contact day to day. They have two scrum masters, and then my team probably engages with 8–9 of their lead developers in Skype channels we’re all a part of. 

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

When I realized that I was acquiring technical debt from the previous developer, I put an advert on Upwork and I got a phone call from Sanjay. At first, I felt he was being pushy because he was supposed to apply online, but it transpired he was in London and offered to come to Manchester and meet some of my team.

As I was looking to offshore the project because the costs are a lot less in India, I felt it was a no brainer to at least take the meeting since he was willing to come to meet us. We took the meeting and we liked what he said. My then CTO got on a call with Anoop, and again, Anoop sealed the deal because he is just so sharp.

How much have you invested in them?

When we first engaged with them, I think we had a £10,000 (approximately $13,000 USD) project, and last week I signed off about £100,000 (approximately $130,400 USD) of work with them over the next three months. We’ve probably already spent close to £70,000 (approximately $91,300 USD).

What is the status of this engagement?

I’d estimate we started working together around July 2019 and our engagement is ongoing.  

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

The success for me is that whenever we’ve had mission-critical things come up, they have been there for us. I am able to pay a reasonable rate like I’m offshoring and still get a great service. 

Our previous developer could not have coped with the volume of work that we now do and speaking to him was a frustration. Emvigo has come in and their infrastructure and hierarchy are the same as dealing with other UK companies, which is a massive thing for us. We have since hired a head of delivery person.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

They deliver what we want. Wherever our technical know-how is, and our expectations are, they meet that. We use ClickUp, Teams, calls, emails, and Skype. Anoop is someone that I can just have a simple conversation with. He gets it halfway through and understands how my entire system works, then he comes up with solutions.

What did you find most impressive about them?

With our previous developer, we spent a lot of money but never actually had verbal conversations with him and we could have been speaking to a different person every few months. We now have single points of contact that are available when we need it and they just get it. 

Like any relationship, the longer it goes on, the more they just get it. Though it’s offshore, they even offered to shift their working hours to the UK, but I didn’t want them to do that and cause any kind of friction. 

Are there any areas they could improve?

The stuff that they are now being asked to do by our head of delivery, they could have offered to do, but I didn’t know what to ask. They delivered what I asked but they didn’t ask if there were other things I wanted them to do. 

To be fair, if they had, I wouldn’t have even known or understood. It’s a tough thing to say, but in hindsight, things could have been done better or differently if someone smarter than me was able to deal with the delivery stuff, but that’s not on them. I imagine any other company will have someone better than me at dealing with that stuff and will get whatever they need out of them. 

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

Make sure that you get Anoop in as many calls as you possibly can.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m the founder of a blog. I’m also an author and a coach.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We needed an updated website that was mobile responsive and more visually appealing.

What was the scope of their involvement?

They did a complete remake of my WordPress website. They did design and development, and they might have worked off of a design I bought elsewhere. I led the project with ideas, although Sanjay (CEO, India) let me bounce ideas off of him and gave his input.

What is the team composition?

Sanjay was my main point of contact, but I remember being on a call with at least two other designers and developers. I would guess there were 3–4 total.

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

I found them through a freelance platform. Sanjay got in touch and it was an advantage that he was based in the UK, since I wanted to do part of the project in person. It was great that they brought ideas to the table and give me ideas, instead of just sitting there taking instructions like other vendors I’ve had in the past.

How much have you invested with them?

We’ve spent 2,500 pounds (approximately $3,100 USD).

What is the status of this engagement?

We started the project in May 2019, and it’s still ongoing in a troubleshooting capacity. The bulk of the work finished in December 2019.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement? 

I’ve had a very good response from my readers and subscribers, in terms of the aesthetic of the site. I’ve noticed I’ve gotten more subscribers than I’ve ever gotten before too. It was good working with Sanjay.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

Their communication was good, and I never had a problem getting ahold of them. In terms of meeting deadlines, it could’ve been quicker, but that was partly due to my schedule.

What did you find most impressive about them?

Sanjay is a good leader and I truly enjoyed working with him.

Are there any areas they could improve?

Sometimes workers aside from Sanjay needed a more thorough look through some of the work, and we ended up having to repeat a couple of things to get what I wanted. They could’ve also used just a bit more creativity on their design team. It’s nice to have a designer with ideas of their own, rather than just coming up with I suggest.

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

My advice is to be firm with them. If you’d like things done a certain way, make sure they understand that.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m one of the senior managers at a training organization. One of our services is training telecommunications operatives for the major networks throughout the United Kingdom.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd? 

We wanted help determining the most appropriate way to test the competency of delegates.

What was the scope of their involvement?

They developed a mobile and web application for delegates to use once they had completed a training course. It provides the users with tests that they can complete while they’re on a job so we can determine what knowledge they’ve retained from the training and ensure competency. 

We provided them with wireframes, and they provided full-stack services, including design. They developed the mobile application using React Native. For the web platform, they used JavaScript and CSS. Our web server is NGINX. They also integrated several third-party tools, including Google Analytics and Video.io. 

What is the team composition? 

We had one main point of contact who acted as our project manager and had a team of developers that they delegated work to. 

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

I found them on Guru.com. 

How much have you invested with them?

We spent about £20,000 (approximately $24,740 USD). 

What is the status of this engagement?

We began working together in April 2019. The work is ongoing. Right now, we’re doing some user testing to find areas for improvement and further development.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

We did testing with some of our current clients. The feedback was very positive, and we saw a high level of user satisfaction. 

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

We used Trello for project management. Our project manager used scrum methodology throughout the project, which was effective. 

What did you find most impressive about them?

They were able to understand our business and interpret our needs. They were quick to react to our feedback and requests. 

Are there any areas they could improve? 

No, not really. 

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

Give them as much detail as possible and have a clear idea of what you need.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

We are a startup company called PropertyMenu.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies?

We worked with Emvigo Technologies to develop and consult on our website as we build the business from the ground up.

What was the scope of their involvement?

The website connects potential investors with property sources, and one of the unique features is something called an online deal analyzer, which essentially calculates different property values and risk rates and things like that. We developed the methodology in an Excel sheet, and they created an interactive calculator that is now one of the core features of the website.

Besides that, they have also helped us to establish a back-office process through the admin panel that they created and improved a lot of other general processes in our day-to-day. The core of the site is on WordPress.

What is the team composition?

I have a couple points of contact on their team. I interact primarily with their project manager and their CIO but have communicated with a couple of development teammates as well.

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies?

I posted my job on several different freelancer platforms and vetted the companies that responded. They were very responsive and approachable, so we were able to develop a great relationship right from the start.

How much have you invested with them?

I believe we’ve spent between £4,000-£5,000 (approximately $9,000 USD).

What is the status of this engagement?

I believe we started working together in July 2019, and the work is ongoing.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

We just went live with our system a few weeks ago. So far, the feedback from the customers has been very positive, but we are continuing to develop and improve the solution. Their team has done a great job of keeping up with the changes that we need to make and figuring out how to fix anything that isn’t working the way we want it to.

How did Emvigo Technologies perform from a project management standpoint?

I’m very happy with the service they’ve provided. The whole team is available and responsive, and they don’t hesitate to offer up their own ideas about things. We use Google sheets and skype to communicate, but for the most part, it has just been a very natural collaboration.

What did you find most impressive about them?

Emvigo Technologies is extremely approachable. The effort that they put into making the project enjoyable for everyone to work on really pays off.

Are there any areas they could improve?

No, I don’t have anything I wish they did differently.

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

At the beginning, I was concerned that the time difference would prove to be a problem, but my worries were unfounded, so I would advise anyone considering them not to be concerned about that aspect of the engagement.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I am the technical director of Muhdo Health. We are a DNA profiling and epigenetics company.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We engaged Emvigo Technologies Ltd because we were trying to create a platform for users to view their DNA profiles through a digital interface, as opposed to what most companies offered, which is a printed or PDF solution.

What was the scope of their involvement?

We mapped out a solution by looking at what was available in paper formats and discussing viable ways to digitize that. Emvigo Technologies Ltd eventually delivered a web-based platform that utilizes Node.js and is hosted on AWS.

What is the team composition?

We worked with a project manager and a lead engineer. They brought in other members of their team for select discussions, but those two were our primary contacts.

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies?

We learned about them through a recommendation. After a few meetings with our team, we decided to move forward with them.

What is the status of this engagement?

Our engagement spanned February–October 2018.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

We’re quite pleased with what they have produced, and we’ve received positive feedback from our users.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

We communicated well through email, Skype, and an online project management system. Each week, we’d have a conference call to discuss that week’s deliverables, so communication was never an issue.

What did you find most impressive about them?

Whenever we had an issue, they put the appropriate team in place to address it. They were quick to deal with any problems. Their team was always available.

Are there any areas they could improve?

No, they accomplished everything we asked of them.

Do you have any advice for potential customers?

As with any engagement, a well-defined project brief will set you up well for success.

Introduce your business and what you do there.

I’m the co-founder and managing director of a German-based startup that formed last year. We’re developing an AR application for smart devices.

What challenge were you trying to address with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

We’re a very small team in Germany and needed additional capacity to develop the product, in particular building a scalable, robust backend.

What was the scope of their involvement?

Emvigo Technologies Ltd is developing the backend of our AR app as well as some parts of the frontend using React Native. The app is built for both iOS and Android mobile devices as well as potentially for smart glasses. The backend includes a dashboard to place the AR objects globally.

One of our co-founders, who’s a UI/UX expert, created the initial designs, and based on which, Emvigo helped us to create the wireframes. The whole project will take six to nine months.

What is the team composition?

We have roughly nine people supporting us including a business analyst and the CTO.

How did you come to work with Emvigo Technologies Ltd?

I’d worked with them previously through another startup I co-founded. I had been introduced to them when I worked in R&D for Nokia in Germany by a colleague who was from southern India where they’re located.

What is the status of this engagement?

We started working together in September 2018, and it’s ongoing.

What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?

Emvigo makes every effort to help us. They have extensive domain knowledge. In cases where they lack the requisite knowledge, they quickly adapt and learn. We can reach out to them 24/7. They’re friendly, supportive, positive, and proactive—great to work with, overall.

How did Emvigo Technologies Ltd perform from a project management standpoint?

They assigned a scrum master for our project. We work with project management tools like Jira, Confluence, and Bitbucket. We communicate via email and Skype meetings. They meet internally every day, and we have every-other-day meetings with them. We have people from multiple locations on our calls. The communication is very smooth.

What did you find most impressive about them?

They have a lot of domain knowledge, they’re cost-competitive, and they deliver. They quickly identify issues and solve them. They may lack a little design thinking or creative design compared to Germany companies, but that’s not a problem for us as we have our own designer on board.  

Are there any areas they could improve?

Not really. Maybe they could proactively study upcoming technologies like hardware and AR for us. But I don't know what they could do more.