Custom Web Solutions
WebCitz, founded in 2004, is a full-service web development and SEO agency with a steadfast commitment to customer availability, effective communication and custom solutions. To help stay true to these commitments, WebCitz employs a large onsite team of web developers, digital marketers and website support experts to provide the best possible customer experience. This business philosophy has allowed WebCitz to experience consistent growth in technical experience and customer satisfaction over the years. To date, WebCitz maintains an active client base including hundreds of well-known brands throughout the USA and Canada.
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Online Pharmacy Website
RxOneShop.com, a highly custom Laravel ecommerce development, is the one-stop online store for pharmacies. They offer competitive pricing on pharmaceuticals by constantly negotiating with suppliers for the best price. They offer free next day shipping from several pharmaceutical suppliers, with a simple $150 order minimum per supplier for elibibility.
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PHP Web Development for Corporate Training Company
"They do what we want them to do in a timely fashion and respond quickly."
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m in a sales and marketing position at a technical training company.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
They’re helping us build, host, and maintain our website.
What was the scope of their involvement?
They take care of our database and handle some backend work, in addition to doing a bit of design as well, but not graphic design — design for our database.
What is the team composition?
We work with Corey (Sales & Service) and Drew (Developer). Drew is our main point of contact.
What is the status of this engagement?
We’ve been working together August 2021.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
They’ve done a great job. We continue to work with WebCitz because they’re responsive. We trust to them to do a great job.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
They’re awesome in this area. We communicate directly by email and have phone calls as needed.
What did you find most impressive about them?
They do what we want them to do in a timely fashion and respond quickly.
Are there any areas they could improve?
No, I think they’re doing a good job.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
Be clear about what you want, explain it well, and make that everyone is on the same page. This is the same no matter the vendor.
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Web & Mobile App Development for Training Company
“They always find a way to get things done on time or earlier by finding new methods to streamline their process.”
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the repairability technical support and OEM technical relations manager at I-CAR. We are a training company for the collision repair industry.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
We needed a company that could help us maintain and improve our Repairability Technical Support (RTS) website.
What was the scope of their involvement?
We partnered with WebCitz, LLC to maintain and implement additional functionalities to our RTS (Repairability Technical Support) website. We already had an idea of the functionality that we wanted for the site, but WebCitz, LLC’s help was instrumental in helping us lay the groundwork for what we wanted the site to look like and how all of its parts would work together. Right now, we have more than 15,000 pages of content on the site, and WebCitz, LLC was responsible for helping us understand how to connect the dots and make everything flow together.
Now, WebCitz, LLC is in charge of all of our CSS needs — they handle everything with any kind of complicated forms, such as our log-in forms. They’ve helped us organize our site’s layout and content and do some custom coding work. They’ve also helped us with the site’s functionality design by providing us recommendations on the different styles, ideas, and formats that we can use to make the site look more modern and function in a better way.
Additionally, they’ve helped us with our site’s Single Sign-On (SSO). They’ve worked with our internal IT department and two other vendors to identify and resolve the existing issues within our SSO.
Aside from that, they’ve done some SEO work for us to make sure that we have a clean website that functions very well. They’ve also done some additional work to drive traffic to our site and provided a lot of information to give us insights on what people are searching for and what additional improvements we can implement on our website to drive up our optimization.
They’re currently working on developing an iOS and Android app for us.
What is the team composition?
I’ve worked with Dave (Owner), Corey (Sales and Services Manager), and Drew (Web Designer).
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
We found WebCitz, LLC through an online search. They seemed to be fairly priced and highly experienced in their field, so we decided to work with them, and we have never looked back since.
How much have you invested with them?
We’ve spent somewhere around $100,000 so far.
What is the status of this engagement?
We started working together in June 2013, and the engagement is ongoing.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
The biggest metric that I could think of was when WebCitz, LLC had our SSO up and running in less than a month. Before they came in and helped with our SSO, the other vendors had been working on it for six months without any success. This, to me, really exemplifies their technical proficiency and the overall quality of their work.
Overall, they’ve been extremely helpful and knowledgeable, and it has been a great experience working with them. They’ve been able to help us with so many things quickly, efficiently, and at a very fair price.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
WebCitz, LLC has performed incredibly well in terms of project management. They’ve consistently delivered on time and adhered to our established timelines. Even with larger projects, they always find a way to get things done on time or earlier by finding new methods to streamline their process. We always know that they’re in the background, finding ways to make things happen and keep us on track.
We primarily communicate through phone calls and emails.
What did you find most impressive about them?
We’re impressed with WebCitz, LLC’s ability to adapt to any situation that we’ve come across. I also appreciate how patient they are. They have the ability to have high-level conversations with extremely technical people, but they’re also able to bring it down to a level where a beginner can understand them. That, to me, is a true testament to their depth of knowledge and expertise.
Are there any areas they could improve?
I don’t think there’s anything WebCitz, LLC could improve on — everything that they’ve done for us has exceeded our expectations.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
Come in with at least a plan of what you want to accomplish, and don't be afraid to ask questions. WebCitz is very knowledgeable, and they will explain everything to you and take a lot of the fear that comes from the unknown away. They will take care of you very well.
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Shopify Development for Wine Accessories Company
"They're willing to make the changes that we need, and they’re easy to work with."
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the president of Chris’ Stuff, and we make wine-related gift items. We’re located in Los Angeles, California.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
We hired WebCitz, LLC for a website development project.
What was the scope of their involvement?
They created a Shopify site from scratch where our customers could log in and place their wholesale and retail orders. All of our products were uploaded to the platform. The team continues to customize our website, depending on our needs and wants.
What is the team composition?
I work with their project manager and developers.
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
I found them on Google, and I hired them because they were the most responsive during the interview process. They were able to cite examples of their work, specifically the other websites that they created.
How much have you invested with them?
We’ve spent $20,000.
What is the status of this engagement?
We began working together with WebCitz, LLC in February 2019, and it’s ongoing.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
They’ve successfully completed our website. They’ve recommended Shopify to be our platform and it has increased our business.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
They have excellent communication skills, and they’re good at meeting our deadlines and budget. Furthermore, they’re willing to make the changes that we need, and they’re easy to work with. We communicate through phone calls and emails.
What did you find most impressive about them?
One of my employees accidentally knocked around the website’s code and it became unrecognizable because the code got moved around. As a result, I called WebCitz, LLC on a Friday night and they were able to fix the problem within an hour.
Are there any areas they could improve?
No. They’ve made great recommendations, including what apps to purchase.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
Call WebCitz, LLC and start a relationship with them because they’re amazing.
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Web Design for Dental Service Company
"We appreciated their expertise and advice. They had wonderful suggestions and ideas for our website."
the reviewer
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The client submitted this review online.
Please describe your company and your position there.
Our business name is Downtowne Dental Group of Appleton, LTD and I am the Office Administrator.
For what projects/services did your company hire WebCitz, LLC?
We hired WebCitz, LLC to help us design and create a new, updated website for our dental practice. After meeting with their team, we realized WebCitz, LLC had so much more to offer, they not only designed and created our website, they hosted it as well, and offer photography and videography services as well, and they helped us with our domain and email setups.
How did you select this vendor and what were the deciding factors?
We heard about WebCitz, LLC through a family member and after meeting with part of their team, decided WebCitz was a great fit for us. They are extremely knowledgeable, friendly, and thoroughly & clearly explained everything to us, took the time to go over every step of designing, creating & hosting a beautiful website for us. They explained how important a good website is and how they can make our website standout and be recognized, and easily accessible. And they are very reasonably priced, we saved a lot of money compared to the previous company we worked with for our old website and hosting.
Describe the project in detail and walk through the stages of the project.
After a series of meetings and discussing our goals, they came up with some fabulous designs for our main page, color theme, content and important pages to follow. They helped with page layout, photo layouts, and content layout, and great tips for creating an "eye catching" website.
How many resources from the vendor's team worked with you, and what were their positions?
I think everyone in their company had helped with different aspects of creating our website.
Can you share any outcomes from the project that demonstrate progress or success?
The final result of our website was fabulous! We constantly receive positive feedback and compliments about our website and design, even after several years! Patients have commented often on how user friendly, patient friendly our website is and how easy it is to navigate through it and find what they are looking for.
How effective was the workflow between your team and theirs?
WebCitz's team was fantastic to work with throughout the entire project. They had such wonderful ideas and feedback for us, and guided us on what they felt would work well for us and be the most effective for our business. They responded quickly whenever we had questions or needed help.
What did you find most impressive or unique about this company?
They are very knowledgeable and passionate about their work, and it shows. We appreciated their expertise and advice. They had wonderful suggestions and ideas for our website.
Are there any areas for improvement or something they could have done differently?
I can't really think of any areas of improvement. They made it very easy to communicate back and forth with.
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E-Commerce & Informational Web Dev for PVC Liner Company
“The team does everything in their power to correct an issue in a timely fashion.”
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the marketing manager for a distributor and fabricator of polycarbonate and PVC liner panels for the building and construction market.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
We hired WebCitz to help us with two of our websites. They helped us build our e-commerce website, and they redesigned our informational website. For context, they took over the development of the e-commerce site from another vendor; our relationship with that previous vendor fell through.
What was the scope of their involvement?
For the e-commerce website, WebCitz helped us migrate it from Magento to WordPress. Our goal was to make things easier in terms of quickly making updates. The team also worked behind the scenes to help me when I couldn’t do something on the admin panel. They also took care of larger issues that came up.
Meanwhile, for our general informational website, WebCitz used a template. They set up its WordPress theme and its hosting. As we built the site, they were there to answer my questions about it and to provide us with their technical knowledge.
At present, WebCitz continues to help me make quick updates to our products and websites. Our company faces many changes, and implementing such changes quickly helps our sales team.
What is the team composition?
I’ve worked with David (Owner), Drew (Web Designer), and Jake (Programmer & Account Manager).
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
I started working with WebCitz when I took over the management of our e-commerce site from another person who left our company. Meanwhile, I was working with another company for the general informational website and enjoyed it. As a result, when I was ready to redesign it, I moved the hosting and redesign tasks over to WebCitz.
What is the status of this engagement?
We’ve been working with them since July 2015, and the engagement is ongoing.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
The redesign of one of the websites has been finished recently, and we’ve received highly positive feedback. It’s easier to navigate, and the product information is more centralized — the site definitely has a more responsive layout.
The same goes for our e-commerce site; we also get plenty of compliments about how easy it is to find everything on it. Overall, our customers like to use the websites. In fact, we’ve received comments that they go to our website more than they go to other manufacturers; they can more easily find technical data or product specifications on our platforms.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
WebCitz has managed the project well. They’re timely and get back to us with updates whenever they complete something or if they run into issues. I appreciate that they always keep me in the loop. To communicate, we use emails and phone calls.
What did you find most impressive about them?
Their responsiveness to issues is impressive. The team does everything in their power to correct an issue in a timely fashion. On top of that, WebCitz is highly flexible and listens to my needs.
Moreover, their team members are friendly and easy to work with — I’ve had a good experience talking to every one of them. they can explain technical things in an understandable way. They help me understand the updates they do, so I can relay the information to my team. I can also count on them to come up with more than one solution to issues that come up.
Are there any areas they could improve?
No, there aren’t any. We do need to improve some things, but those things don’t have anything to do with WebCitz.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
List down what you want in the project, know your own skill sets, and sit down with the WebCitz team — lay everything out for them. They’re flexible and can accommodate however you want to work; they can either build the whole website for you or serve as a partner while you build the website yourself.
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E-Commerce Development for Universal Waste Recycling Company
"They’re a responsive company with good products and services at a good price."
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the president of a universal waste recycling company.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
We needed someone to help us build an online store.
What was the scope of their involvement?
WebCitz was hired to provide us with e-commerce development and implement modern store functionalities.
They first looked at our old website and utilized the information they found to create new wireframes and mockups. They then sent links to other websites they’d designed so we can decide on the format we wanted to use.
We’re currently building a taxation feature on the platform to make sure taxes are accomplished accurately and appropriately.
What is the team composition?
We’re mainly in contact with the general manager and their web designers.
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
We came across their company through online research, and we decided to hire them based on their design capabilities, customer service, and competitive pricing.
How much have you invested with them?
I believe we’ve spent $3,500–$4,000 so far.
What is the status of this engagement?
Our ongoing partnership started in January 2019.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
WebCitz is a solid company that has done everything we’ve asked them to do. They respond to our issues and concerns quickly, and they’re very proactive in offering us additional services and support.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
Their project management has been great overall. There was a gap in their service one time, but they immediately corrected it so I would highly recommend them to anyone else without a doubt.
Our communication is mostly done through the phone.
What did you find most impressive about them?
We’re impressed with how they’re able to present their organization in a professional manner.
Are there any areas they could improve?
So far, they’ve helped us out with our needs so I don’t have any complaints about their services.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
WebCitz is a company that we’ve been utilizing since 2019. They’re a responsive company with good products and services at a good price, and we’ve been extremely happy with their outputs.
I don’t think you can go wrong with what they can offer, so I advise you to hire them.
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Web Revamp for Electric Motor Company
"They were transparent with every process of repair that they were implementing."
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the owner of SRVC Electric Motors, an electrical apparatus website. We deal primarily with electric motors, gear reducers, pumps, and things of similar nature.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
After our website designer retired, our platform was in a state of disarray. We lost a few of the key features on the website and the functionalities that we had were deteriorating by the day. As a result, we reached out to WebCitz, LLC to help us.
What was the scope of their involvement?
The WebCitz, LLC team helped us fix our existing website, including enabling our shopping cart to work properly. They had a lot of staff that had unique talents in different areas of web development, and all of them supported our project because we needed to change many things. We also required the assistance of their IT department. They completed everything that needed to be done, but they continue to be available to help us if we’re faced with technical issues.
What is the team composition?
Around six people worked on our project.
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
We spoke with a couple of local website developers regarding some of the site's issues, and we also reached out to a couple of companies online. One day, we were on the west side of Michigan and we happened to see a van that had WebCitz, LLC’s logo on it. After that, we searched them on Google, and when we spoke to them, they gave us a sense of comfort that they knew exactly what needed to be repaired on our platform.
How much have you invested with them?
We spent $2,800.
What is the status of this engagement?
We worked together from June–August 2021.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
It would’ve been more substantial if we rebuilt the website, but we were amazed that the team was able to salvage our platform and utilize it. On top of that, our sales increased because the shopping cart and contact form became functional. Overall, their team effort was impressive, and they didn’t make us feel overwhelmed with technical issues.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
WebCitz, LLC was professional, and we were in constant communication with each other. They were transparent with every process of repair that they were implementing. They had strong coordination skills, and they were always prompt with their responses. We communicated 90% of the time through email and 10% through phone calls. Above all, their price quote was incomparable with prices we received from other vendors.
What did you find most impressive about them?
They were very keen on explaining what our problems were, and they ensured that we understood what they were going to do to implement to fix things. They were genuinely caring and courteous, and in this day and age, it was unbelievable to work with a team like them.
Are there any areas they could improve?
No. My experience couldn’t have been better. There was absolutely nothing to improve.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
If you don’t know how to fix your website, reach out to WebCitz, LLC.
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E-Commerce Web Dev for Online Pharmaceutical Company
“They do a great job of making me feel like I’m the only customer they have.”
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the president of an online pharmaceutical company. We work with thousands of pharmacies across the country, and we give orders to our partner wholesalers.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
When we first engaged WebCitz, we needed them to update our old website. After that, they developed a brand new site for us.
What was the scope of their involvement?
Over the last couple of years, WebCitz developed a brand new website for us. I was in talks with them every day for a year during that project. Meanwhile, they built the website in a way that allowed our store partners to place orders online. They also worked on its design, logo, and color schemes. After we gained customers, the WebCitz team helped us move into our own server. That way, we had enough speed and size to handle the orders and products properly.
Moreover, their resources looked into solutions and options that we might want to use. The biggest aspect they had to work on was making the website user-friendly and fast enough despite the number of products placed on it. I wrote most of the site’s content, but they helped me with the wording of the content. They looked at other companies similar to us to see if we could derive any ideas from them.
At present, WebCitz continues to make changes to the website to ensure that it’s easy to use and that we stay with the times. The team provides me with wireframes and has launched a cache site, where I can see the changes they’re making before they implement them on the website. They’ve also helped us with some of our email-related needs.
What is the team composition?
I work with Corey (Sales & Service Officer) and Jake (Programmer). Jake has been my day-to-day point of contact for a few years now.
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
I searched online for companies who could help us build our website. I reached out to a few of them, and WebCitz was the team that answered right away when I called them. They told me the things they would do for the project, and we started working together.
How much have you invested with them?
We’ve invested around $300,000 or higher in their services.
What is the status of this engagement?
We started working together in January 2014, and the partnership is ongoing.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
Eight years ago, our website was simply an informational one — now, it generates somewhere between $1.5 million–$2 million per month.
Anecdotally, WebCitz does what they promise to do. In this day and age, it’s hard to find a company like that. Moreover, if something isn’t working correctly, I can call them even on a Saturday or a Sunday. They always answer and take care of the problem for me. They’re a refreshing team that truly cares about the people that work with them.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
They’re with me every step of the way. They tell me what’s going on and how long it takes to send me updates. Overall, the WebCitz team keeps me informed about how long things are going to take and when things are going to be done. To communicate, we occasionally use emails. However, since I’m impatient, we have a lot of phone calls — they always answer me whether I call them five times a day or once a week.
What did you find most impressive about them?
Their distinguishing qualities are their attention to detail and their willingness to ensure that I know what they’re doing all the time. On top of that, they seem to truly care about me. Over the years, they’ve gotten bigger and hired a lot more people. Still, they do a great job of making me feel like I’m the only customer they have.
Are there any areas they could improve?
No, there aren’t any. I don’t have any complaints about them. We’re a small company, and they’re essentially our IT team.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
If you’re looking for an IT company to do any website project, don’t hesitate to ask them questions. Keep calling them and giving your requests — they honestly don’t mind. They won’t make you feel you’re bothering them no matter how many times you reach out to them.
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Web Dev & Design for Nonprofit Animal Shelter
"Their staff is always personable and patient, explaining things we don't understand in a simpler way."
the reviewer
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The client submitted this review online.
Please describe your company and your position there.
I am the Education and Communication Coordinator for the Oshkosh Area Humane Society. We are a Nonprofit animal shelter and humane society. We provide numerous services to our community in addition to rescuing and saving companion animals.
For what projects/services did your company hire WebCitz, LLC?
None of our staff had the skills or time to build a website let alone create one that was pleasing to the eye and easy for the public to navigate. We needed a website needing minimal upkeep on our end but at the same time keep up with changes in technology.
How did you select this vendor and what were the deciding factors?
We wanted to work with a local company, a company where we could get to know the people working there and they could get to know us and better understand our needs and meet those needs without breaking the bank.
Describe the project in detail and walk through the stages of the project.
We sat down together to discuss what we liked about our previous website: what worked and what didn't. WebCitz made suggestions on how we could improve the look and content of our site to draw more people in and keep it user friendly. Through the entire process OAHS was kept abreast with the many changes that were being made and how they would work to our advantage.
How many resources from the vendor's team worked with you, and what were their positions?
At the time I believe there were 2 key people that worked on the project. We liked that we were working with the same people though out the project and not getting confused with too many options. They focused on what we needed most to make our site beneficial and effective.
Can you share any outcomes from the project that demonstrate progress or success?
OAHS has received many compliments from our donors and website visitors about how easy our site is to navigate and find the information they are looking for.
How effective was the workflow between your team and theirs?
Communication was good. There was a lot of back and forth to make sure the end product was what we wanted. There were times we didn't understand how something would work to our advantage and needed more discussion but doing so made sure we got everything we wanted and needed.
What did you find most impressive or unique about this company?
When we have questions or concerns they get back to us in a timely fashion. If we feel something needs immediate attention they are on it. Their staff is always personable and patient, explaining things we don't understand in a simpler way. We know they are there to help us.
Are there any areas for improvement or something they could have done differently?
Overall, we have been very satisfied with our working relationship with WebCitz. Any complaints we may have would be minuscule compared to the overall great service we receive from them.
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Landing Page Revamp for Public Safety Company
"I have nothing but positive things to say about them."
the reviewer
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A Clutch analyst personally interviewed this client over the phone. Below is an edited transcript.
Introduce your business and what you do there.
I’m the marketing director for a holding company that owns multiple corporations.
What challenge were you trying to address with WebCitz, LLC?
We asked WebCitz, LLC to rebuild some websites for us to improve the speed and functionality of our platforms.
What was the scope of their involvement?
The main thing their team did for us was to rebuild some of our landing pages. We asked them to take our landing pages out of the website builder that a previous vendor used. After that, they rebuilt the landing pages using Plain HTML to improve the speed of those pages. The WebCitz, LLC team continues to work for us.
What is the team composition?
I’ve only interacted with 1–2 people, including David (Owner). However, there might be more people working on their side.
How did you come to work with WebCitz, LLC?
I found Webcitz, LLC through Google, and the fact that they came up high in the search results indicated that they were good at what they do. I also had a couple of good conversations with them prior to our engagement. Overall, they seemed like they’d be able to effectively do what we wanted.
How much have you invested with them?
We’ve spent $10,000.
What is the status of this engagement?
We began working together in December 2021, and it’s ongoing.
What evidence can you share that demonstrates the impact of the engagement?
After they rebuilt our landing pages, our PageSpeed Insights (PSI) score jumped from 28 to 76, which shows that the speed of our web pages dramatically improved because of their work. On top of that, they’re very quick and efficient.
How did WebCitz, LLC perform from a project management standpoint?
They have a good project management process although there isn't a lot of heavy project management involved in our projects. We communicate through emails and phone calls. Overall, I have nothing but positive things to say about them.
What did you find most impressive about them?
Every interaction I’ve had with them has been great. They really care about our project’s results. Above all, we trust the insights that they share with us.
Are there any areas they could improve?
I can’t really think of anything they can improve. They’ve done everything we’ve asked.
Do you have any advice for potential customers?
Give them full information upfront and allow them to help you utilize their expertise.
The client praises WebCitz, LLC for their direct and responsive communication. Their high-quality work to date has earned them significant trust. Future customers can expect a partner that moves quickly and adheres to requirements and desires.